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#21 Posted : Thursday, March 19, 2020 10:26:43 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Leviathan Go to Quoted Post
I'd drop the series then. Not doing the shorts chronologically is 9ne thing; omitting cartoons is another.


You want to jump to conclusions now? Seriously?
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#22 Posted : Thursday, March 19, 2020 11:06:19 AM(UTC)
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I may be wrong, but Jerry has mentioned the possibility of pushing up vol. 2 to be released before North American Summer (June)?

Originally Posted by: Leviathan Go to Quoted Post
The cartoons on Tex Avery V1 were chosen because the materials were in the best shape.

Starting to get worried about Tex and the talk of omitted cartoons. Were they really myopic enough to set themselves up for a repeat of the Tom and Jerry debacle?


I don't like to be pessimistic but today Jerry contradicted the "Nothing will be skipped" statement he did in Facebook. It looks like WB is very reluctant about the un-PC shorts. He said we should be glad of the ones we are getting.

In my POV this means it's very unlikely that we get the 2 most un-PC cartoons.


What are the two most un-PC cartoons? "Uncle Tom's Cabana" and...?

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#23 Posted : Thursday, March 19, 2020 12:25:07 PM(UTC)
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I may be wrong, but Jerry has mentioned the possibility of pushing up vol. 2 to be released before North American Summer (June)?

Originally Posted by: Leviathan Go to Quoted Post
The cartoons on Tex Avery V1 were chosen because the materials were in the best shape.

Starting to get worried about Tex and the talk of omitted cartoons. Were they really myopic enough to set themselves up for a repeat of the Tom and Jerry debacle?


I don't like to be pessimistic but today Jerry contradicted the "Nothing will be skipped" statement he did in Facebook. It looks like WB is very reluctant about the un-PC shorts. He said we should be glad of the ones we are getting.

In my POV this means it's very unlikely that we get the 2 most un-PC cartoons.


What are the two most un-PC cartoons? "Uncle Tom's Cabana" and...?


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#24 Posted : Thursday, March 19, 2020 1:28:33 PM(UTC)
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Did any of you miss the 206 minute show? Despite attempting to limit to 2 hours and later 3, fear not! It is now up on the archives right here in both audio and video versions:

https://www.stusshow.com/archives.php
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#25 Posted : Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:53:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: fulano7 Go to Quoted Post
I don't like to be pessimistic but today Jerry contradicted the "Nothing will be skipped" statement he did in Facebook. It looks like WB is very reluctant about the un-PC shorts. He said we should be glad of the ones we are getting.

If this is accurate, I sure hope they strongly consider sales of Volume 1 and what it would mean to create another Tom and Jerry debacle. There'd be less publicity this time, but it's also a smaller, concentrated market that knows what they're getting. Or if they don't know, they'll read about it whereever they go for Volume 2 news.

Warner Archive should be above this. It's not Warner Home Video. To say nothing of the misleading comment that appears to be deliberate (either from Jerry or he was misled himself).

It would be nice to get this clarified.
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#26 Posted : Thursday, March 19, 2020 4:47:17 PM(UTC)
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I may be wrong, but Jerry has mentioned the possibility of pushing up vol. 2 to be released before North American Summer (June)?

Originally Posted by: Leviathan Go to Quoted Post
The cartoons on Tex Avery V1 were chosen because the materials were in the best shape.

Starting to get worried about Tex and the talk of omitted cartoons. Were they really myopic enough to set themselves up for a repeat of the Tom and Jerry debacle?


I don't like to be pessimistic but today Jerry contradicted the "Nothing will be skipped" statement he did in Facebook. It looks like WB is very reluctant about the un-PC shorts. He said we should be glad of the ones we are getting.

In my POV this means it's very unlikely that we get the 2 most un-PC cartoons.


What are the two most un-PC cartoons? "Uncle Tom's Cabana" and...?


... Half-Pint Pigmy


Ahhh, of course.
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#27 Posted : Thursday, March 19, 2020 9:39:52 PM(UTC)
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Jerry was asked a question about Barney Bear and the possibility of this series of cartoons being released on Blu-ray. He intimated that that series was not really being looked at, but that MGM has "other" great series of cartoons. Based on his hinting, and the fact that a great 42 cartoon laser disc set of Harmon-Ising/Happy Harmonies was released under both Jerry's and George Feltenstein's production supervision, I think that series (the Happy Harmonies) may very well be in the cue! Let's hope so! Dancing
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#28 Posted : Thursday, March 19, 2020 11:11:27 PM(UTC)
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Jerry was asked a question about Barney Bear and the possibility of this series of cartoons being released on Blu-ray. He intimated that that series was not really being looked at, but that MGM has "other" great series of cartoons. Based on his hinting, and the fact that a great 42 cartoon laser disc set of Harmon-Ising/Happy Harmonies was released under both Jerry's and George Feltenstein's production supervision, I think that series (the Happy Harmonies) may very well be in the cue! Let's hope so! Dancing


Stu called Barney Bear "boring" but it's still better than most of Famous Studios and Terrytoons from the same time. And better than Barney are the Happy Harmonies and the 1938-1944 one-shots (spiritual successors to Happy Harmonies).

Best thing about the MGM library is that it's very good and very small. All 37 Happy Harmonies fit in 2 volumes, like the 38 1938-1944 one-shots. Could include Spyke and Tyke, Good Will to Men and the 2 Chuck Jones one-shots. Barney Bear with 26 films fits in 1 or 2 volumes. The transitory Freleng/Gross/Fischinger stuff (18 shorts) fits in 1 single release. It's very easy to design and I've done it multiple times mentally... Lol
I always come to TTTP in Exile in the hope of finding news about Warner announcing Tex Avery Collection.
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#29 Posted : Friday, March 20, 2020 1:26:50 AM(UTC)
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I don't like to be pessimistic but today Jerry contradicted the "Nothing will be skipped" statement he did in Facebook. It looks like WB is very reluctant about the un-PC shorts. He said we should be glad of the ones we are getting.

If this is accurate, I sure hope they strongly consider sales of Volume 1 and what it would mean to create another Tom and Jerry debacle. There'd be less publicity this time, but it's also a smaller, concentrated market that knows what they're getting. Or if they don't know, they'll read about it whereever they go for Volume 2 news.

Warner Archive should be above this. It's not Warner Home Video. To say nothing of the misleading comment that appears to be deliberate (either from Jerry or he was misled himself).

It would be nice to get this clarified.


Jerry said that Happy-Go-Round was excluded in the last minute, but he didn't say explicitly. He "gave a hint" - something like "look at this list of 19 cartoons. It would be 20 - you know, there is one missing. Someone had mixed feelings about the missing cartoon; it'll be included in v2". I didn't realize he was talking about the only missing Screwy Squirrel, but Thad did.

In no moment, when questioned about politically incorrect material and the completeness of the collection, he firmly stated that if sales keep going well, we'll get all 67 cartoons. He kept saying things like "we'll do the best we can" etc. Such lack of assurance let me slightly disappointed... I was hoping to hear that if at least the sales keep going well, we can finish Avery filmography and nothing will be skipped.
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#30 Posted : Friday, March 20, 2020 5:27:56 AM(UTC)
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Jerry was asked a question about Barney Bear and the possibility of this series of cartoons being released on Blu-ray. He intimated that that series was not really being looked at, but that MGM has "other" great series of cartoons. Based on his hinting, and the fact that a great 42 cartoon laser disc set of Harmon-Ising/Happy Harmonies was released under both Jerry's and George Feltenstein's production supervision, I think that series (the Happy Harmonies) may very well be in the cue! Let's hope so! Dancing


Stu called Barney Bear "boring" but it's still better than most of Famous Studios and Terrytoons from the same time. And better than Barney are the Happy Harmonies and the 1938-1944 one-shots (spiritual successors to Happy Harmonies).

Best thing about the MGM library is that it's very good and very small. All 37 Happy Harmonies fit in 2 volumes, like the 38 1938-1944 one-shots. Could include Spyke and Tyke, Good Will to Men and the 2 Chuck Jones one-shots. Barney Bear with 26 films fits in 1 or 2 volumes. The transitory Freleng/Gross/Fischinger stuff (18 shorts) fits in 1 single release. It's very easy to design and I've done it multiple times mentally... Lol


Really disappointing to hear that Barney Bear is not being looked at. As you say, it would fit perfectly in one or two volumes. (But of course, even with that series there's the problem of blackface scenes in some of the films if you're going for a complete edition.)
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I don't like to be pessimistic but today Jerry contradicted the "Nothing will be skipped" statement he did in Facebook. It looks like WB is very reluctant about the un-PC shorts. He said we should be glad of the ones we are getting.

If this is accurate, I sure hope they strongly consider sales of Volume 1 and what it would mean to create another Tom and Jerry debacle. There'd be less publicity this time, but it's also a smaller, concentrated market that knows what they're getting. Or if they don't know, they'll read about it whereever they go for Volume 2 news.

Warner Archive should be above this. It's not Warner Home Video. To say nothing of the misleading comment that appears to be deliberate (either from Jerry or he was misled himself).

It would be nice to get this clarified.


Jerry said that Happy-Go-Round was excluded in the last minute, but he didn't say explicitly. He "gave a hint" - something like "look at this list of 19 cartoons. It would be 20 - you know, there is one missing. Someone had mixed feelings about the missing cartoon; it'll be included in v2". I didn't realize he was talking about the only missing Screwy Squirrel, but Thad did.

In no moment, when questioned about politically incorrect material and the completeness of the collection, he firmly stated that if sales keep going well, we'll get all 67 cartoons. He kept saying things like "we'll do the best we can" etc. Such lack of assurance let me slightly disappointed... I was hoping to hear that if at least the sales keep going well, we can finish Avery filmography and nothing will be skipped.


Yowp had a somewhat different interpretation of Jerry's words in his blog post about the Stu's Show podcast. One of the conclusions he drew is that "Eventually, all of Tex’s MGM cartoons will be released."
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#32 Posted : Saturday, March 21, 2020 6:57:33 PM(UTC)
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I don't like to be pessimistic but today Jerry contradicted the "Nothing will be skipped" statement he did in Facebook. It looks like WB is very reluctant about the un-PC shorts. He said we should be glad of the ones we are getting.

If this is accurate, I sure hope they strongly consider sales of Volume 1 and what it would mean to create another Tom and Jerry debacle. There'd be less publicity this time, but it's also a smaller, concentrated market that knows what they're getting. Or if they don't know, they'll read about it whereever they go for Volume 2 news.

Warner Archive should be above this. It's not Warner Home Video. To say nothing of the misleading comment that appears to be deliberate (either from Jerry or he was misled himself).

It would be nice to get this clarified.


Jerry said that Happy-Go-Round was excluded in the last minute, but he didn't say explicitly. He "gave a hint" - something like "look at this list of 19 cartoons. It would be 20 - you know, there is one missing. Someone had mixed feelings about the missing cartoon; it'll be included in v2". I didn't realize he was talking about the only missing Screwy Squirrel, but Thad did.

In no moment, when questioned about politically incorrect material and the completeness of the collection, he firmly stated that if sales keep going well, we'll get all 67 cartoons. He kept saying things like "we'll do the best we can" etc. Such lack of assurance let me slightly disappointed... I was hoping to hear that if at least the sales keep going well, we can finish Avery filmography and nothing will be skipped.


Yowp had a somewhat different interpretation of Jerry's words in his blog post about the Stu's Show podcast. One of the conclusions he drew is that "Eventually, all of Tex’s MGM cartoons will be released."


I do have the same interpretation. I guess that the 2 most unPC shorts will be scheduled for the last volume of the series.

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Since the official reason for the way they are releasing these Avery cartoons is a lie, then release all of them on next set and be done with it. Including all the Screwy Squirrel shorts except that one should have been to warning to us, that this would another T&J fiasco.

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Originally Posted by: mellongraig93 Go to Quoted Post

On the other hand, Jerry showed a quick Buzzy Boop at the Concert short from 1938 on his cell phone. Let's hope it does get restored along with the other 3 ones that are possible.


Sorry, did I miss something on the forum? Was Buzzy Boop at the Concert discovered somewhere?? Great news if that's indeed the case.
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Since the official reason for the way they are releasing these Avery cartoons is a lie, then release all of them on next set and be done with it. Including all the Screwy Squirrel shorts except that one should have been to warning to us, that this would another T&J fiasco.

In truth this entire series could fit comfortably on one dual-layer, 50GB Blu-ray.

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On the other hand, Jerry showed a quick Buzzy Boop at the Concert short from 1938 on his cell phone. Let's hope it does get restored along with the other 3 ones that are possible.


Sorry, did I miss something on the forum? Was Buzzy Boop at the Concert discovered somewhere?? Great news if that's indeed the case.


Yes, a little unfortunate to see this low-key discovery buried in the "Jerry said this, no he said that" kerfuffle.

Relying off memory, supposedly a print was discovered in Gosfilmofond last year and will hopefully be preserved by ASIFA.

Which means we now know elements exist for all 4 "lost" Betty Boops which were not part of the UM&M TV package (barring the still missing soundtrack to Honest Love and True).
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Since the official reason for the way they are releasing these Avery cartoons is a lie, then release all of them on next set and be done with it. Including all the Screwy Squirrel shorts except that one should have been to warning to us, that this would another T&J fiasco.

In truth this entire series could fit comfortably on one dual-layer, 50GB Blu-ray.



I don't think that's true. The 19 shorts on Volume 1 take up 37.6 GB, and we still have 46 shorts to go (or more, depending on whether they also include the Cinemascope remakes and the Droopy shorts directed by Dick Lundy and Mike Lah).
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Originally Posted by: dbear Go to Quoted Post

Yes, a little unfortunate to see this low-key discovery buried in the "Jerry said this, no he said that" kerfuffle.

Relying off memory, supposedly a print was discovered in Gosfilmofond last year and will hopefully be preserved by ASIFA.

Which means we now know elements exist for all 4 "lost" Betty Boops which were not part of the UM&M TV package (barring the still missing soundtrack to Honest Love and True).


Thanks for clarifying. Russia of all places!
Now, off to some missing Talkartoons and Screen Songs Applause

EDIT: I watched the stream now, Jerry showed the opening titles and the first few shots. The print appears to be in great condition. The cartoon is being restored by ASIFA at the moment. The process to get it was very complicated (it took over a year) and Jerry will give more on the story some other time.

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