make that eleven, puss gets the boot is not an original technicolor element. there's also the absolutely rubbish prints of jerry's diary and heavenly puss used for vol 2.
id personally like to see new scans and/or restorations of the cartoons considering a number of vol 1 cartoons suffer from cleanup/noise reduction anomalies (especially solid serenade and kitty foiled) and vol 2 has the filtered color palette applied (apparently 2 cel mistakes in the original films were fixed too)

You're still assuming that WB is doing an immaculate job in presenting the picture elements on these cartoons as they are supposed to look, despite the evidence presented previously that indicates otherwise. Have you seen a vintage Technicolor release print of one of these "cheaters" that also shows such a difference between the reused footage and its source cartoon? Or perhaps this is just more evidence that Warner Archive has slacked off on implementing the proper scene-to-scene timing in these restorations?

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Think of the other possibility; these cartoons could have just been slapped on a DVD and presented in raspberry red or bubblegum pink.



These two cartoons in particular showcase a bizarre artifact from the digital cleanup process used on Volume 1 where the outlines are ridiculously smooth and look like they were traced with digital black ink. Not only that, but there's also a decline in brushstroke detail on the character animations as well as lack of film grain in certain scenes of these shorts. For reference, look at the Tom kissing Spike scene in Solid Serenade and the Tom thinking he's dying scene in Kitty Foiled.

I suppose I haven't been as clear about my overall opinion on these sets as I should have been. My view is that these are a major improvement over previously available copies of most of these cartoons, and despite the flaws these sets are worth supporting; this series is an unexpected and welcome change from the prior years of these and other WB cartoon properties remaining in unreleased limbo. But the evidence contradicts the idea that these presentations picture-wise are flawless, accurate representations of how these films are supposed to look, which just about everyone has been praising them as.

Of course a dupe negative and the original are going to look different. But this is where timing comes in to compensate. An example is the washed-out Paramount titles compared to Steve Stanchfield's transfers (or a photo of a 35mm nitrate print), while some scenes in the cartoons themselves aren't so bad. The titles are dupe footage due to the optical effects needed. In the release prints the exposure timing was adjusted scene-by-scene so that everything looks right. The original negatives do not have these adjustments built-in and it is necessary to implement them in remastering to get the proper look. So they say that they consulted original prints when creating these masters - does that mean they actually followed through with conforming them to the proper look? The final products don't support that conclusion.

A prior poster raised the question of how we should respond to flaws in these sets. The least we can do is be honest about the shortcomings, while still buying the sets to support future releases. If Warner Archive really cares about the quality of the releases, they'll listen without any boycotting needed. I get the impression they don't, but at least buyers would know what they're getting. Glossing over problems and pretending things are better than they are does no one any good.

Copies of “Riot in Rhythm” with original titles do exist. That screen grab on Jerry Beck’s website came from an eBay listing. Whether the person who won that auction would loan it to Warners is the main issue.

I could have sworn I read it on a thread on here explaining the restoration process of the B&W Popeyes. I think it was from the thread about the first volume in these Blu-Rays.

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So you’re saying that deterioration got to some other cartoons too? Gee, what a shame... I suppose “The Hungry Goat” has its original opening but a faked ending? I thought Paramount held all the original complete elements for the B&W Popeyes.

How did they manage to recreate that end title? Especially since the ending gag is unique to that particular cartoon.

I never saw The Popeye Show, but I wonder if any of the color Famous cartoons restored in terms of picture and color. I know that "Rio" and "Tops" were restored with the original music cues, but did they do anything else?

Wait, if the ending title for "Me Musical Nephews" wasn't accurate, then what was supposed to happen in the ending? Was there an end-title gag?