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SuperMuppet64  
#441 Posted : Sunday, December 23, 2018 3:48:16 PM(UTC)
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i think the wac podcast on this set stated that dye transfer prints were used as reference when combining the successive exposure images. they should be 'right' for the most part.

and i thought anvil chorus girl had distorted audio, wonder whats up with that
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#442 Posted : Sunday, December 23, 2018 4:26:29 PM(UTC)
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From a restoration of 'Snap Happy' found on a Spanish PAL set of Little Lulu titles:
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I'd like to see how Thad Koromowski's element of 'We're On Our Way To Rio' would look when run on an actual carbon arc projector.

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#443 Posted : Sunday, December 23, 2018 4:54:38 PM(UTC)
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While we're at it, let's continuously flood the thread with blue sky Paramount mountains, a certain banned member would be proud:

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/16MM-Santas-Surprise-1947-RESTORED-REDUCTION-MINT-LF-IN-BLACK-FACES-/372533321553?oid=372521717864
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#444 Posted : Sunday, December 23, 2018 7:43:51 PM(UTC)
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And the actual 35mm Technicolor element of 'Santa's Surprise'.... deep blues, but this time, brighter.
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#445 Posted : Tuesday, December 25, 2018 4:36:45 AM(UTC)
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And now, from Steve's interpretation of what 'The Bored Cuckoo' looks corrected, from a 35mm Technicolor element.
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#446 Posted : Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:31:27 AM(UTC)
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I went on Amazon, and the Volume 2 and 3 re-releases are “currently unavailable”. What a surprise
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#447 Posted : Tuesday, December 25, 2018 1:46:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Brentonclark613 Go to Quoted Post
I went on Amazon, and the Volume 2 and 3 re-releases are “currently unavailable”. What a surprise


Of course. Amazon always pulls that bullcrap. 😒
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#448 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:38:14 AM(UTC)
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Got this disc on Christmas morning.

The one short I watched in full so far (Her Honor, the Mare) looks excellent; definitely better than Disney's scattershot approach to the Celebrating Mickey disc for sure! The lossless mono track sounds amazingly crisp for a short produced and released in 1943; any major studio releasing their cartoon output on Blu-ray should take a hint from Warner Archive. (Just about the only issue with this disc is that there's no bonuses)
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#449 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2018 1:12:59 AM(UTC)
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Wait till you get to We're On Our Way To Rio. You'll be blown away by the picture and sound quality.
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#450 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2018 6:54:20 AM(UTC)
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Took Ken's advice and watched We're On Our Way to Rio. Though it wasn't as exciting as putting the disc in for the first time, he was right; the video and audio quality of this particular short is amazing.

Anyone who is remotely interested in Popeye or classic animation in general should buy this disc; what I have seen so far looks excellent and more consistent than the all-over-the-place presentation of Celebrating Mickey - plus we get lossless audio, an unfortunately very rare feature in most animation Blu-rays!
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#451 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2018 4:47:27 PM(UTC)
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Curiously, it was mentioned on Stu's Show that they didn't even do full cleanup on these. What? Almost all of what I've seen thus far has been thoroughly scrubbed of just about any film dirt or wear to speak of (a couple of blue-record marks in a scene in Puppet Love did slip through). I'm not sure I want to know what the "full" job would have been.
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#452 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2018 4:40:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zachary Go to Quoted Post
Curiously, it was mentioned on Stu's Show that they didn't even do full cleanup on these. What? Almost all of what I've seen thus far has been thoroughly scrubbed of just about any film dirt or wear to speak of (a couple of blue-record marks in a scene in Puppet Love did slip through). I'm not sure I want to know what the "full" job would have been.


There definitely was some ostensible clean-up. Probably just a light pass and the more substantial damage was taken care of. Based on personal experience, sometimes OCNs don't need much more than that if they weren't used/manhandled over the years. I'm pretty sure Jerry was bearing in mind the earlier Warner DVNR problems or the current Disney wreckstorations and comparing that to the significantly smaller Popeye budget.
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#453 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2018 4:52:36 AM(UTC)
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So, apparently, these Popeye's were the first cartoons in the Warner library to be scanned in 4k.I was under the impression that the earlier restored Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry shorts were, too.

These Popeye shorts are the gold standard for restoration. They look excellent and most important of all, look like film. If Warner can make the financial element of doing shorts like this work, bring them on.
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#454 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:03:04 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thad Komorowski Go to Quoted Post
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Curiously, it was mentioned on Stu's Show that they didn't even do full cleanup on these. What? Almost all of what I've seen thus far has been thoroughly scrubbed of just about any film dirt or wear to speak of (a couple of blue-record marks in a scene in Puppet Love did slip through). I'm not sure I want to know what the "full" job would have been.


There definitely was some ostensible clean-up. Probably just a light pass and the more substantial damage was taken care of. Based on personal experience, sometimes OCNs don't need much more than that if they weren't used/manhandled over the years. I'm pretty sure Jerry was bearing in mind the earlier Warner DVNR problems or the current Disney wreckstorations and comparing that to the significantly smaller Popeye budget.


"Wreckstorations" is a great description for the worst of Disney's HD remasters. :P Thankfully not all of them look as terrible, and some have much more grain preserved than others. But some of the choices they made when restoring (for instance) Steamboat Willie were just bizarre. They really should have realized by this point in time that Willie needs to be re-restored properly from scratch (and done it for the Mickey 90th anniversary Blu-ray).

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#455 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:16:34 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thad Komorowski Go to Quoted Post
the current Disney wreckstorations

Heh-heh, clever pun....

....but seriously, are we going to lump every post-Treasures restoration into the same category? Granted, not all of them are great (some, but not all*, shorts have had film grain removed and apparently look "plasticky" and less colorful) and the way Disney recreates its' shorts' original titles may be awful at worst, but I found a few of them (namely Mickey's Rival and Mickey's Trailer on Celebrating Mickey) to be varying improvements over those shorts' presentations on previous releases (yes, even the Treasures volume they originally appeared on).

*Yes, I do mean "not all". Compare the smeary, near-sterile Steamboat Willie with either the grainy Rival or Trailer and you'll see a difference - even if it's only minor

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I finally received my copy of the Popeye disc.

I am absolutely mesmerized by these restorations! Thank you, Warner Archive. Keep 'em coming!
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Originally Posted by: WaltWiz1901 Go to Quoted Post

....but seriously, are we going to lump every post-Treasures restoration into the same category?


I think so. They're still all wrong across the board, and they really need to be called out for it online. I wish somewhere big would pick up on the story.

To cite your MICKEY'S RIVAL example, here's a shitty iPhone photo of my 16mm print projected. Yeah, obsessive minutiae about timing, print source, etc. duly noted. But I really preferred it when those skies had some blue, not imitating the schemes of the recent CA wildfires.

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#458 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:56:39 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thad Komorowski Go to Quoted Post
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....but seriously, are we going to lump every post-Treasures restoration into the same category?


I think so. They're still all wrong across the board, and they really need to be called out for it online. I wish somewhere big would pick up on the story.

To cite your MICKEY'S RIVAL example, here's a shitty iPhone photo of my 16mm print projected. Yeah, obsessive minutiae about timing, print source, etc. duly noted. But I really preferred it when those skies had some blue, not imitating the schemes of the recent CA wildfires.

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You may be right about the skies in the current transfer not being as colorful as in your 16mm print, but at least the short (on Celebrating Mickey) has some film grain left intact..... (I have to wonder how much we're going to complain about less colorful visuals and "revisionism" and yet completely overlook the amount of grain *most* of these transfers preserve)

(Regarding Mickey's Trailer (the other short I mentioned in my last post).....yeah, now that's a massive improvement over the Treasures version. The transfer on Mickey Mouse in Living Color was (or looked like it was) sourced from an interlaced, unrestored videotape master - and it shows)

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#459 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2018 3:24:37 PM(UTC)
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Anyone ever seen a 35mm release nitrate of 'Mickey's Rival' in action? I sure haven't.

You're all forgetting that key layer would likely make the skies more neutral than punched blue. Very suspicious about trusting a 16mm print for this one passed generation by generation.

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#460 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2018 5:24:42 PM(UTC)
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I can confirm the Film Office super 8 prints of “For Better Or Nurse” distributed in France in the 1970s or thereabouts (retitled “Une Adorable Infirmier”) have the full original opening and closing music. It appears to cut off at the end a second or so sooner than my “modern” Super 8 print but I hope to make a proper comparison over the weekend.
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