Some stills from Pinocchio and other shorts in IB technicolor

Steve Stanchfield
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9 years ago

Here are some stills from an IB Technicolor print of 'Pinocchio' (35mm, 1964 release I believe) as well as Ib prints (16mm) of 'Santa's Workshop' and some of the 'I'm No Fool' shorts. These are pretty good examples of what the color generally looked like on these films in Technicolor prints. The earlier Ib prints of Pinocchio in 16mm blu-track are slightly different, but I like the color on this particular release...

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VoiceTalentBrendan
Advanced Member

9 years ago

#2

Wow! these frames are beautiful 🙂

ToonStar95
Advanced Member

9 years ago

#3

Can't wait for this!

Steve Stanchfield
Advanced Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#4

Wow! these frames are beautiful :)

Originally Posted by: VoiceTalentBrendan

Frame scans from actual prints. Let's hope that someday Disney releases the 'I'm no Fools' and 'You and your...' series!

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titanic
Advanced Member

9 years ago

#5

These are MAGNIFICENT!!!!
Thank you!

Hope someday Disney releases them like this! WITH grain!

I assume the Pinocchio print has the Buena Vista logo in the beginning and not the RKO, right?

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Steve Stanchfield
Advanced Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#6

Yes.. it the Buena Vista logo. I'd like to borrow a 16mm Blu-track with the RKo someday; sadly haven't been able to as of yet...

Blubat88
Member

9 years ago

#7

Those shots look amazing. I'm looking forward to getting this.

monks19
Advanced Member

9 years ago

#8

Yes.. it the Buena Vista logo. I'd like to borrow a 16mm Blu-track with the RKo someday; sadly haven't been able to as of yet...

Originally Posted by: Steve Stanchfield

Well. If you manage to do it and the present disc isn't ready yet, I'm sure people here wouln't mind waiting a bit longer. But seriously, I hope that you might be able to locate a print with the original RKO credits.

BTW, you mentioned warpings on the print earlyer (at the beginning of reel 3). Any way to correct this (if possible) ?

"The earlier Ib prints of Pinocchio in 16mm blu-track are slightly different, but I like the color on this particular release..." How slightly different are we talking about ?

Keep up with the good work

ParamountCartoons
Advanced Member

9 years ago

#9

Amazing STILLS!

I bet those 'official' blu-ray releases are having their nose grown when telling about their restoration!

Say, would you check your email? I have some questions for you!

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titanic
Advanced Member

9 years ago

#10

Would it be possible to post a screenshot from the scene with the warping "issue"?
I don't understand how this could look..

monks19
Advanced Member

9 years ago

#11

Yes.. it the Buena Vista logo. I'd like to borrow a 16mm Blu-track with the RKo someday; sadly haven't been able to as of yet...

Originally Posted by: Steve Stanchfield

Why exactly (if you don't mind me asking) ?

LuckyToon
Advanced Member

9 years ago

#12

The screenshots has very identical colors to the 2009 Blu Ray and DVD releases.

I can tell right away that the print of Santa's Workshop is the re-release print with the sunburst Mickey Mouse head (as seen on the Walt Disney Christmas VHS release which I have). Thank goodness the DVD release uses the original opening and closing titles instead.

How I wish Disney would already release all the I'm No Fool and Human Animal shorts with Jiminy Cricket on DVD and/or Blu Ray in remastered quality.

titanic
Advanced Member

9 years ago

#13

The screenshots has very identical colors to the 2009 Blu Ray and DVD releases.

Originally Posted by: LuckyToon

Well, they're surely more similar to the Bluray than other films (like in Alice in Wonderland where the greys turned to purple!!)
But still, there are differences.
Notice in 3rd comparison how luminous is the shot.
I always loved that and it's as I remember it! (not from the theater of course)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/149358/picture:0

Amazing STILLS!

I bet those 'official' blu-ray releases are having their nose grown when telling about their restoration!

Originally Posted by: ParamountCartoons

yes! Those are not restorations!
They are revisions!
English is not my native language, but from what I understand "to restore" means to bring something to its original state.
Watching all the Disney animation films like they were shown in theaters, like the Pinocchio here and the Gulliver's travels Bluray, would be a dream come true for me!

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dbear
Advanced Member

9 years ago

#14

Great to see those educational shorts, looks like I can retire some of the grotty VHS-sourced copies I have.

The timing on that Santa's Workshop print looks completely different from two copies I have on DVD: an edited, unremastered version leaning very slightly towards yellow and the overly-pinkish Treasures restoration (the restorations on the animated Wave 6 Treasures had some really iffy colour timing IMO). Based on the very short clips I've seen, the new restoration that aired on TCM last year looks closer, colour-wise, but I'll reserve full judgement until I can track down a full copy.

Oh BTW Steve, check your PMs (just disregard the part about Willie Whopper, it arrived in time for Halloween! Thanks...)

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Steve Stanchfield
Advanced Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#15

Something to consider about IB Technicolor prints is the variance of color. I've found while trying to match prints that sometimes you find two prints with pretty identical color, but I've also seen prints from the same release with some variance. Ib prints have a color shift every 10 minutes- sometimes it's VERY noticeable between reels, sometimes not. I've heard from some of the older collectors that the quality of Ib Technicolor prints quality-control-wise changed in the early 70s through the last handful of years using the process ( I think 'Goldfather 2' was the last official IB release besides lots of Hong Kong films). Sometimes tech prints have a reel a little redder, a little greener... sometimes a little more yellow.

Of course, these were done to make a legal preservation copy of the film rather than any other reason....

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GrindhouseGuru
Advanced Member

9 years ago

#16

Steve, what a great way to slyly let the proverbial "cat" outta the bag. This makes me sooooooo happy. It will be the first and maybe only time people like myself will be able to experience this movie like you did in the theater. The real color, the grain and texture of the background paintings not being ruined etc. On my 70 in tv with the lights out and sitting a touch closer to the screen will be pure BLISS. The extras are amazing looking too. Please tell me this is going out within 4 weeks! Pretty please! 🙂 Now I really have a reason to buy that hard cover Pinocchio book Ive been holding off on getting. I cannot say enough to you how much this kicks ass man.

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nickramer
Advanced Member

9 years ago

#17

Great to see those educational shorts, looks like I can retire some of the grotty VHS-sourced copies I have.

The timing on that Santa's Workshop print looks completely different from two copies I have on DVD: an edited, unremastered version leaning very slightly towards yellow and the overly-pinkish Treasures restoration (the restorations on the animated Wave 6 Treasures had some really iffy colour timing IMO). Based on the very short clips I've seen, the new restoration that aired on TCM last year looks closer, colour-wise, but I'll reserve full judgement until I can track down a full copy.

Originally Posted by: dbear

I thought the short was uncut on the "Walt Disney Treasures" set. I know "The Night Before Christmas" was edited until Disney offered a replacement disc (which I have) after fans asked for it.

Steve Stanchfield
Advanced Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#18

Please tell me this is going out within 4 weeks! Pretty please! 🙂 Now I really have a reason to buy that hard cover Pinocchio book Ive been holding off on getting. I cannot say enough to you how much this kicks ass man.

Originally Posted by: GrindhouseGuru

I'm trying to get them all out by the weekend!!!! AND the 'Thunderbean Thursday set'.... but not the Willie Whopper glasses just yet- need to get packing materials for those- this is a new one for me, and I thought they'd have their own boxes!

Steve Stanchfield
Advanced Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#19

Yes.. it the Buena Vista logo. I'd like to borrow a 16mm Blu-track with the RKo someday; sadly haven't been able to as of yet...

Originally Posted by: monks19

Why exactly (if you don't mind me asking) ?

Originally Posted by: Steve Stanchfield

Why I'd like it, or why I haven't found one yet? The easy answer is that it's rare...and I don't blame folks for not wanting a 1940s or 50s print out of their hands for a minute. Had hoped to when I was in LA....but too late now.

dbear
Advanced Member

9 years ago

#20

Great to see those educational shorts, looks like I can retire some of the grotty VHS-sourced copies I have.

The timing on that Santa's Workshop print looks completely different from two copies I have on DVD: an edited, unremastered version leaning very slightly towards yellow and the overly-pinkish Treasures restoration (the restorations on the animated Wave 6 Treasures had some really iffy colour timing IMO). Based on the very short clips I've seen, the new restoration that aired on TCM last year looks closer, colour-wise, but I'll reserve full judgement until I can track down a full copy.

Originally Posted by: nickramer

I thought the short was uncut on the "Walt Disney Treasures" set. I know "The Night Before Christmas" was edited until Disney offered a replacement disc (which I have) after fans asked for it.

Originally Posted by: dbear

Sorry, should have clarified a bit: the edited version I mentioned can be found on the "Walt Disney Animation Collection: Classic Short Films - Mickey's Christmas Carol" DVD, the Treasures copy is indeed uncensored.

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