from my fourm topic: Debunking Misinformation about Animated Movie HistoryThe Black Cauldron 1985 Walt Disney Pictures
"The Black Cauldron was the first Disney animated theatrical feature to receive a PG rating.
It even had to be edited twice to avoid being released with a PG-13 or R rating."
from my Tumblr blog
“It even had to be edited twice to avoid being released with a PG-13 or R rating”.
I think they have intended this to be PG rated,
this was in pre production since the 1970′s, and in production since the early 1980′s.
There was no PG 13 rating until after parents criticizing the violence in films like Gremlins (1984)
and Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom (1984)
if you look at what was happening in the late 1970′s and 1980′s Disney was going through a slump,
While outside of Disney, filmmakers like Spielberg and Lucas made some interesting films.
According to Don Hann’s documentary Waking Sleeping Beauty: :”Around that time,
the studio did a survey that teenage movie goers would be caught dead near a Disney movie”
If you look at the Disney feature films
from the late 70′s and early 1980′s range from dark SciFi (The Black Hole 1979)
Thriller (The Watcher In The Woods 1981) Dark Comedy (The Devil and Max Devilin 1981 it’s a stinker)
horror (Ray Bradbury’s Something Wicked This Way Comes 1983)
Could it be that with Disney and their Prydain film was aimed at Spielberg or Lucas type crowd?
niche audience? 80′s teen crowd? Obviously the cauldron born scene is very Indiana Jones eqs.
( even resulting a outraged Katzenberg to cut the film in late 1984Excerpt from The New York Times Article
ANIMATION AGAIN A PRIORITY AT DISNEY
By ALJEAN HARMETZ
August 27, 1984
“The Black Cauldron,” the most complex and expensive animated feature ever produced by Walt Disney Studios,
will be released next summer. This medieval Welsh fable,
based on a series of award-winning children’s books by Lloyd Alexander,
was filmed in 70 millimeter at a cost of $25 million.
The film’s Horned King villain is one of Disney’s most sinister characters.
The boy hero must find the Black Cauldron before the Horned King uses it to bring back dead warriors
from past wars and gather an invincible army. It is conceivable, said Ron Miller,
president and chief executive officer of Walt Disney Productions,
that the movie will be the first Disney cartoon to get a PG rating.”https://www.nytimes.com/...-priority-at-disney.html Conflicting info on what was the Date of Jeffery Kattzenberg's Arrival at Disney or first weeks.
conflicting info, some sources say Katzenberg started at Disney in October 1984
a few sources say 1985: (This eldest article that announces as such, is one of them.)
also the book the Disney Touch by Ron Grover 1991
and the article from 1987 Disney Gearing Up For More Animation
on October 1, 1984 in this retro article:
it was announced that Jeffery Katzenberg would leave Paramount in January of 1985
and Join Disney in February of 1985.
Excerpt from DISNEY NAMES MOVIE AND TV HEAD
from The New York Times
October 1, 1984
“Mr. Katzenberg’s contract at Paramount is up in January, and he will join Disney on Feb. 1.
Mr. Katzenberg has been wooed by at least three other movie studios since the resignation of
Paramount’s chairman, Barry Diller, on Sept. 11,
which started a round of musical chairs in Hollywood’s executive suites. In a statement today,
Mr. Katzenberg said that he was moving to Disney rather than staying at Paramount because of
the “opportunity to work in areas beyond motion pictures.”
In an interview last week, Mr. Eisner,
who resigned as president of Paramount Sept. 12 after he was passed over for the company’s chairmanship,
gave warning to the movie industry that he intended to make Disney studios competitive with the biggest
and best of Hollywood’s film companies.
In recent years, Disney’s film division has fallen on hard times.
Disney has been unable to shake the stigma of being considered a moviemaker for children.
The core teen-age audience, critical to a movie-maker today, has stayed away.
Neither “The Black Hole” nor “Tron,” two attempts to appeal to teen-agers, did as well as expected,
and, in 1983, Disney had to take a writedown of $21 million on “Something Wicked This Way Comes,”
a $23 million fantasy film based on a Ray Bradbury novel.
Under Ronald L. Miller, who was forced to resigned as president and chief executive officer on Sept. 7,
Disney recently initiated a non-Disney distribution label, “Touchstone,” for films with more mature themes.
The first Touchstone movie,
“Splash,” was a box-office hit. A romantic comedy about a mermaid that included some nudity,
“Splash” earned Disney more than $35 million in film rentals.
The second Touchstone film, “Country,” a movie starring Jessica Lange
that concerns the plight of present-day farmers, opened the New York Film Festival last Friday.
The average movie studio releases 12 to 15 movies a year. In addition to “Splash” and “Country,”
Disney’s only 1984 movie was a re-issue of its 1967 animated film,
“The Jungle Book.” Because of his extensive relationships with film makers,
Mr. Katzenberg, who started in the movie industry as assistant to the Paramount chairman 10 years ago,
is expected to help Disney win access to projects.”https://www.nytimes.com/...Fbyline%2Faljean-harmetz
hmmmmmm so Jeffrey’s first weeks at the studio was in February of 1985. huh
so he and the other Disney employees might have reedited the film at that time.
I doubt that Katzenberg had the animators, painters ,
Xerox people and camera crew reanimate certain parts of the film to make less violent. I have my doubts.
If some of you that worked for Disney in the late 1970′s and early to mid 1980′s have proof that
such a thing happened, please prove me wrong
The film already at that point cost a lot of money to make..
Steve Hulet's Mouse in Trasition Chapter 16
In this article, I’m now not sure what comes first,
Roy’s December 1984 letter to the Animation department to move the next year,
or Jeffrey Katzenberg at the Disney studio Screening of The Black Cauldron, later Jeffrey edits the film. .
another conflicting article from 1984Excerpt from How The Hollywood Studio Shake-Ups Are Shaking Down
October 23, 1984
by Aljean Harmetz
“There is general agreement that Walt Disney Productions, which only released two new movies in 1984,
will become a major player in the Hollywood game of trying to hit home runs at the box office.
“The most important consequence of all this executive shifting will be the new role of Disney,” said Arthur Rockwell,
a former movie industry analyst who is now a vice president at M-G-M/UA.
“Three high-powered executives going to Disney clearly signifies Disney’s intentions of being a major studio.”
Jeffrey Katzenberg, the former president of movie production at Paramount who has moved to Disney as president of movies
said about the current situation: “I’m a buyer, and there’s going to be a sellers’ market for a while.
But in the last 10 years I’ve seen us go through at least three full boom-and-bust cycles.
’‘Historically, the movie industry has an ebb and flow of product. When you get more buyers or the current buyers get more
aggressive, you have a boom,
and inflated prices make it difficult to make deals. Traditionally, the boom is followed by a bust. A boom cycle started a year ago
and now we’re nearing the crest.
Had the managements stayed in place, we would have started a slow descent in the spring of 1985.
Now the bust is going to be delayed.”https://www.nytimes.com/...Fbyline%2Faljean-harmetz
Which is the date that Katzenberg started at Disney? Is it 1984 or 1985?
and what year was he actually there?
Upadate: Here is my theory (feel free to dislike it.):
He was there in 1984 at Disney altough his contract at Paramount did not expire until 1985, then Jeffrey started to work at Disney in 1985.
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| Reason: added a theory (please do not take it as fact)