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#1 Posted : Friday, November 2, 2018 6:27:53 AM(UTC)
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Recently, it has come to my attention that several random Popeye cartoons from 1933-1957 are in the public domain. How did this happen? Did A.A.P let the copyright lapse on some cartoons but not others?
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Originally Posted by: Einhander Go to Quoted Post
Recently, it has come to my attention that several random Popeye cartoons from 1933-1957 are in the public domain. How did this happen? Did A.A.P let the copyright lapse on some cartoons but not others?


That is the most likely scenario.

As for whether they are even in the public domain, you'll need to check the Catalog of Copyright Entries.

A few caveats which I learned while researching the renewal dates of Warner Bros. shorts: WB shorts tend to be copyrighted about a year or two before they were actually released (backlogs and all certainly playing a part). Try searching a year or two before the short was actually released.

Second, beware of slightly off titles. One short ("Crowing Pains") was renewed under a different title ("Growing Pains"), which I believe started the misconception that it is in the public domain (it's not).

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#3 Posted : Friday, November 2, 2018 8:12:49 AM(UTC)
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Basically how a number of pre-48 Looney Tunes fell into the PD; a.a.p. didn't renew the copyrights in 1969.
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#4 Posted : Friday, November 2, 2018 10:49:55 AM(UTC)
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An example of a cartoon that IS public domain but not treated as such is the Silly Symphony "The Cookie Carnival." It was copyrighted in 1935 but not renewed in either 1962 or 63.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, November 4, 2018 12:48:40 AM(UTC)
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An example of a cartoon that IS public domain but not treated as such is the Silly Symphony "The Cookie Carnival." It was copyrighted in 1935 but not renewed in either 1962 or 63.


Any sources on that info?
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#6 Posted : Sunday, November 4, 2018 1:46:33 AM(UTC)
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I got the info from the Film Superlist 1894-1939 book. Plus you can check the Copyright Catalog Motion Picture Renewals for 1962 and 63 online.

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#7 Posted : Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:27:02 PM(UTC)
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You sure the cartoon might not be copyrighted under a different title like even a working title(I know, not likely)?
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#8 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 3:24:09 AM(UTC)
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Its possible it could have been renewed under a different title but it was definitely copyrighted as "The Cookie Carnival" in 1935.
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#9 Posted : Friday, November 9, 2018 5:59:34 AM(UTC)
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I ended up checking the copyright renewals for 62 and 63 on archive.com and could not find a title that was renewed by Disney that could have been a working title.
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