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#1 Posted : Friday, October 23, 2015 12:59:22 PM(UTC)
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1930:

Congo Jazz
The Booze Hangs High

1931:

Smile, Darn Ya, Smile!
One More Time
Bosko the Doughboy
You Don't Know What You're Doin'!
Hittin' the Trail for Hallelujah Land

1932:

It's Got Me Again
Ride Him, Bosko!

1933:

Bosko in Person
Shuffle Off to Buffalo
The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon
We're in the Money
Bosko's Picture Show
Buddy's Day Out
I've Got to Sing a Torch Song
Buddy's Beer Garden

1934:

Buddy's Circus

1935:

I Haven't Got a Hat
A Cartoonist's Nightmare
Hollywood Capers
Golddiggers of '49

1936:

Alpine Antics
Page Miss Glory
I Love to Singa - Interlaced
Sunday Go to Meetin' Time
Porky's Poultry Plant
Milk and Money
Little Beau Porky
The Coo-Coo Nut Grove
Porky in the Northwoods

1937:

Pigs is Pigs
Porky's Road Race
Porky's Romance
She Was an Acrobat's Daughter
Clean Pastures
Uncle Tom's Bungalow
Porky's Duck Hunt
Porky's Railroad
Speaking of the Weather - On the ending titles, the 1941-1955 ending rendition of "Merrily We Roll Along" (the Merrie Melodies theme music) is used instead of the special 1937 rendition. This is due to the 1995 Turner "dubbed version" (which uses this rendition) being used as the source for restoration of the soundtrack.
The Case of the Stuttering Pig
Little Red Walking Hood
Porky's Double Trouble
The Woods Are Full of Cuckoos

1938:

Daffy Duck and Egghead - On the ending titles, the 1941-1955 ending rendition of "Merrily We Roll Along" (the Merrie Melodies theme music) is used instead of the original 1937-1938 rendition. This is due to the 1995 Turner "dubbed version" (which uses this rendition) being used as the source for restoration of the soundtrack.
Porky's Poppa
Porky at the Crocadero
Jungle Jitters
What Price Porky
Porky's Hare Hunt
Now That Summer is Gone - Blue Ribbon
The Isle of Pingo-Pongo
Porky the Fireman
Katnip Kollege - Blue Ribbon
Porky's Party
Have You Got Any Castles? -Blue Ribbon - DVNR - Interlaced
Wholly Smoke
Cracked Ice
Porky in Wackyland
Little Pancho Vanilla - Blue Ribbon
Porky in Egypt
You're an Education - Blue Ribbon
The Night Watchman
The Daffy Doc
Daffy Duck in Hollywood - Cartoon's ending music glitches at the beginning. Also happens on all other prints (including original, AAP print, and 1995 dubbed version)

1939:

Prest-o Change-o - Blue Ribbon
Daffy Duck and the Dinosaur
Porky and Teabiscuit
Thugs With Dirty Mugs - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Naughty But Mice
Polar Pals
Old Glory - Blue Ribbon with original flag cue restored
Wise Quacks
Hare-Um Scare-Um
Little Brother Rat
Sniffles and the Bookworm - Blue Ribbon
The Film Fan

1940:

Elmer's Candid Camera
Pilgrim Porky
The Bear's Tale
Porky's Poor Fish
Sniffles Takes a Trip - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
You Ought to Be in Pictures
A Gander at Mother Goose
Tom Thumb in Trouble - Blue Ribbon
Sniffles the Egg Collector - Blue Ribbon
A Wild Hare
Patient Porky
Prehistoric Porky
The Sour Puss
Bedtime For Sniffles - Blue Ribbon

1941:

Sniffles Bells the Cat - Blue Ribbon
Tortoise Beats Hare
Goofy Groceries - Blue Ribbon with the original ending music restored for this release, replacing the Blue Ribbon reissue ending music
Toy Trouble - Blue Ribbon
Porky's Preview
The Trial of Mr. Wolf
Farm Frolics - Blue Ribbon
Hollywood Steps Out - Blue Ribbon - Interlaced
Hiawatha's Rabbit Hunt
Meet John Doughboy
The Heckling Hare
All This and Rabbit Stew
Brave Little Bat - Blue Ribbon
Rookie Revue
Rhapsody in Rivets - Blue Ribbon
Wabbit Twouble
Porky's Pooch

1942:

Conrad the Sailor
Crazy Cruise
The Wabbit Who Came to Supper
Horton Hatches the Egg - Blue Ribbon
The Wacky Wabbit
The Draft Horse
Lights Fantastic
Wacky Blackout
Bugs Bunny Gets the Boid
Foney Fables
The Ducktators
Eatin' On the Cuff
Fresh Hare
The Dover Boys
The Hep Cat - Blue Ribbon
The Hare-Brained Hypnotist
A Tale of Two Kitties - Blue Ribbon
My Favorite Duck - Blue Ribbon
Case of the Missing Hare

1943:

Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs
Pigs in a Polka - Blue Ribbon
Tortoise Wins By a Hare
Fifth Column Mouse - Blue Ribbon
To Duck....or Not to Duck
Super-Rabbit
The Unbearable Bear - Blue Ribbon
The Wise-Quacking Duck
The Aristo-Cat - Blue Ribbon
Yankee Doodle Daffy
Wackiki Wabbit
Porky Pig's Feat
Tin Pan Alley Cats
Scrap Happy Daffy
A Corny Concerto - Interlaced
Falling Hare
Daffy the Commando
An Itch in Time - Blue Ribbon
Puss N' Booty

1944:

Little Red Riding Rabbit
Tom Turk and Daffy
Bugs Bunny and the Three Bears
I Got Plenty of Mutton
The Weakly Reporter
Tick Tock Tuckered - Blue Ribbon
The Swooner Crooner - Blue Ribbon
Russian Rhapsody
Duck Soup to Nuts - Blue Ribbon
Angel Puss
Hare Ribbin'
Hare Force
Birdy and the Beast
Buckaroo Bugs
Goldilocks and the Jivin' Bears
Plane Daffy
Lost and Foundling - Blue Ribbon
Booby Hatched - Blue Ribbon
The Old Grey Hare
The Stupid Cupid - Blue Ribbon - Cut Scene
Stage Door Cartoon

1945:

Odor-able Kitty - Blue Ribbon
Herr Meets Hare
Draftee Daffy
Trap Happy Porky
Life With Feathers - Blue Ribbon
Hare Trigger
A Gruesome Twosome
Wagon Heels
Hare Conditioned
Fresh Airedale - Blue Ribbon with original ending title card restored
The Bashful Buzzard - Blue Ribbon
Hare Tonic
Nasty Quacks

1946:

Book Revue
Baseball Bugs
Holiday for Shoestrings
Baby Bottleneck - Cut Scene
Hare Remover
Hollywood Canine Canteen
Hush My Mouse
Hair-Raising Hare
Kitty Kornered
Hollywood Daffy
Acrobatty Bunny
The Great Piggy Bank Robbery
Bacall to Arms
Walky Talky Hawky - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
The Big Snooze
Mouse Menace - Blue Ribbon
Rhapsody Rabbit
Roughly Squeaking - Blue Ribbon

1947:

One Meat Brawl - Blue Ribbon Dubbed 1995 version
Scent-imental Over You - Blue Ribbon
A Hare Grows in Manhattan
Birth of a Notion - Blue Ribbon
Tweetie Pie - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Rabbit Transit
Easter Yeggs
Crowing Pains
A Pest in the House
House Hunting Mice - Blue Ribbon
Slick Hare
A Horsefly Fleas

1948:

Gorilla My Dreams
What Makes Daffy Duck?
Daffy Duck Slept Here
Back Alley Op-Roar
Rabbit Punch
Hop, Look, and Listen
Buccaneer Bunny
Bugs Bunny Rides Again
The Up-Standing Sitter
Haredevil Hare
You Were Never Duckier
Dough Ray Me-Ow
The Pest That Came to Dinner - Blue Ribbon
Odor of the Day
The Foghorn Leghorn
Daffy Dilly - Blue Ribbon
Kit For Cat - Blue Ribbon with original opening title sequence restored
The Stupor Salesman
Riff Raffy Daffy
My Bunny Lies Over the Sea - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Scaredy Cat

1949:

Wise Quackers - Blue Ribbon
Hare Do
Awful Orphan - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Porky Chops
Mississippi Hare - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Paying the Piper - Blue Ribbon
Daffy Duck Hunt - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Rebel Rabbit - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Mouse Wreckers - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
High Diving Hare - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Curtain Razor
Bowery Bugs - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Long-Haired Hare
Bad Ol' Putty Tat - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
The Grey-Hounded Hare - Blue Ribbon
Often an Orphan - Blue Ribbon
The Windblown Hare
Dough For the Do-Do - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Fast and Furry-ous - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Frigid Hare
Swallow the Leader - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Bye, Bye, Bluebeard - Blue Ribbon
For Scent-imental Reasons - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Hippety Hopper
Bear Feat - Blue Ribbon
Rabbit Hood - Blue Ribbon
A Ham in a Role

1950:

Home Tweet Home
Hurdy Gurdy Hare - Blue Ribbon
Boobs in the Woods - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Mutiny On the Bunny
The Lion's Busy
The Scarlet Pumpernickel - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Homeless Hare - Blue Ribbon
Strife With Father
The Hypo-Chondri-Cat - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored and original opening rings restored
Big House Bunny
An Egg Scramble - Blue Ribbon
What's Up, Doc?
All a Bir-r-r-rd - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
8 Ball Bunny - Blue Ribbon
It's Hummer Time
Golden Yeggs - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Hillbilly Hare
Dog Gone South
The Ducksters - Blue Ribbon
Bunker Hill Bunny
Canary Row - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Pop 'im Pop
Bushy Hare
Dog Collared
The Rabbit of Seville - Blue Ribbon

1951:

Hare We Go
Canned Feud
Putty Tat Trouble - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Corn Plastered
Bunny Hugged - Blue Ribbon
Scent-imental Romeo - Blue Ribbon
Early to Bet - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Rabbit Fire - Blue Ribbon
Room and Bird - Blue Ribbon
Chow Hound - Blue Ribbon
French Rarebit - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Wearing of the Grin - Blue Ribbon
Cheese Chasers - Blue Ribbon
Lovelorn Leghorn - Blue Ribbon
Tweety's S.O.S. - Blue Ribbon
Ballot Box Bunny - Blue Ribbon
A Bear For Punishment - Blue Ribbon
Drip-Along Daffy - Blue Ribbon
Big Top Bunny - Blue Ribbon
Tweet, Tweet, Tweety - Blue Ribbon
The Prize Pest - Blue Ribbon

1952:

Who's Kitten Who? - Blue Ribbon
Operation: Rabbit
Feed the Kitty - Blue Ribbon
Gift Wrapped - Blue Ribbon
Foxy By Proxy
Thumb Fun - Blue Ribbon
14 Carrot Rabbit - Blue Ribbon
Little Beau Pepe - Blue Ribbon
Kiddin' the Kitten - Blue Ribbon
Water, Water Every Hare
Little Red Rodent Hood
Beep, Beep! - Blue Ribbon
The Hasty Hare
Ain't She Tweet - Blue Ribbon
The Turn-Tale Wolf
Oily Hare
Hoppy Go Lucky - Blue Ribbon
Going! Going! Gosh!
A Bird in a Guilty Cage - Blue Ribbon
Rabbit Seasoning
Tree For Two
The Super Snooper
Rabbit's Kin
Fool Coverage

1953:

Don't Give Up the Sheep - Blue Ribbon
Snow Business
Forward March Hare - Blue Ribbon
Kiss Me Cat
Duck Amuck
A Peck o' Trouble - Blue Ribbon
Southern Fried Rabbit - Blue Ribbon
Ant Pasted
Much Ado About Nutting
Hare Trimmed
Wild Over You
Duck Dodgers in the 24 1/2th Century
Bully For Bugs
Cat-Tails For Two - Blue Ribbon
Zipping Along
Lumber Jack-Rabbit
Duck! Rabbit, Duck!
Cats Aweigh!

1954:

Dog Pounded - Blue Ribbon
Feline Frame-Up
Wild Wife
No Barking - Blue Ribbon
Bugs and Thugs
The Cats Bah
Design For Leaving - Blue Ribbon
Bell Hoppy
Claws For Alarm
Little Boy Boo
Devil May Hare
The Oily American
Bewitched Bunny
Satan's Waitin' - Blue Ribbon
Stop, Look, and Hasten
Gone Batty - Blue Ribbon
Goo Goo Goliath
By Word of Mouse
From A to Z-z-z-z
My Little Duckaroo
Baby Buggy Bunny

1955:

Pizzicato Pussycat
All Fowled Up
Stork Naked
Lighthouse Mouse - Blue Ribbon
Sahara Hare
Sandy Claws
The Hole Idea
Ready, Set, Zoom!
Past Perfumance
Lumber Jerks
This is a Life?
Jumpin' Jupiter
Hyde and Hare
Dime to Retire
Speedy Gonzales
Knight-Mare Hare
Two Scent's Worth
Red Riding Hoodwinked
Roman Legion-Hare
Heir-Conditioned
Guided Muscle
One Froggy Evening

1956:

Bugs' Bonnets
Too Hop to Handle
Weasel Stop - Blue Ribbon
The High and the Flighty - Blue Ribbon
Broom-Stick Bunny
Rocket Squad
Heaven Scent
Gee Whiz-z-z-z!
The Unexpected Pest
Napoleon Bunny-Part
Stupor Duck
Barbary Coast Bunny
Rocket-Bye Baby
Raw! Raw! Rooster - Blue Ribbon
Slap-Hoppy Mouse
A Star is Bored
Deduce, You Say
Yankee Dood It - Blue Ribbon
Wideo Wabbit
There They Go-Go-Go!
Two Crows From Tacos
The Honey-Mousers
To Hare is Human

1957:

The Three Little Bops
Scrambled Aches
Ali Baba Bunny
Go Fly a Kit
Tweety and the Beanstalk
Bedevilled Rabbit
Boyhood Daze
Cheese it- the Cat!
Fox Terror - Blue Ribbon
Steal Wool
What's Opera, Doc?
Tabasco Road - Blue Ribbon
Birds Anonymous - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Ducking the Devil
Zoom and Bored
Touché and Go
Show Biz Bugs
Mouse-Taken Identity
Gonzales' Tamales - Blue Ribbon with original ending title sequence restored
Rabbit Romeo

1958:

Tortilla Flaps
Robin Hood Daffy
Hare-Way to the Stars - Blue Ribbon
Whoa Be-Gone!
Knighty Knight Bugs
Weasel While You Work
Hook, Line, and Stinker
Gopher Broke
Cat Feud

1959:

Baton Bunny - Blue Ribbon
Mouse-Placed Kitten
The Mouse That Jack Built
Apes of Wrath
A Mutt in a Rut
Really Scent
Mexicali Shmoes
Cat's Paw
Here Today, Gone Tamale
Broken Leghorn
A Witch's Tangled Hare
People are Bunny

1960:

West of the Pesos
Goldimouse and the Three Cats
Person to Bunny
Who Scent You?
Crockett-Doodle-Do
Mouse and Garden
From Hare to Heir
Dog Gone People
High Note
Lighter Than Hare

1961:

Cannery Woe
Hoppy Daze
Strangled Eggs
Birds of a Father
The Abominable Snow Rabbit
A Scent of the Matterhorn
The Pied Piper of Guadalupe
Daffy's Inn Trouble
Beep Prepared
The Last Hungry Cat
Nelly's Folly

1962:

Fish and Slips
Crow's Feat
Mexican Boarders
Bill of Hare
Louvre Come Back to Me!
Honey's Money
Martian Through Georgia

1963:

The Million-Hare
Now Hear This
Banty Raids
Chili Weather
Mad as a Mars Hare
Claws in the Lease
Transylvania 6-5000
To Beep or Not to Beep

1964:

A Message to Gracias
Freudy Cat
Dr. Devil and Mr. Hare
Nuts and Volts
The Iceman Ducketh
False Hare
Senorella and the Glass Huarache
Pancho's Hideaway

1965:

The Wild Chase
Suppressed Duck
Corn On the Cop
Boulder Wham!
Hairied and Hurried
Highway Runnery
Chaser On the Rocks

1966:

Shot and Bothered
Out and Out Rout
The Solid Tin Coyote
Clippety Clobbered
A-Haunting We Will Go
Sugar and Spies

1967:


1968:

Norman Normal
Bunny and Claude (We Rob Carrot Patches)

1969:

The Great Carrot Train Robbery

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dbear  
#2 Posted : Saturday, October 31, 2015 2:03:56 AM(UTC)
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Interesting idea though I think the current list in the Filmographies sub-forum would be good enough for determining which are remastered (tho annotations/additional info like the ones you've suggested would be nice).

I've been working on a similar list recently to determine how many Disney shorts have been re-remastered and restored recently since the Treasures sets. All of Disney's nitrate-era material have reportedly been scanned in 4k but, by my count, a little over 90 cartoons have trickled out through various outlets (Have a Laugh, the German Donald Duck blu-ray, Netflix, the TCM broadcasts etc.). Of course, this is not taking in consideration the quality of the restorations themselves. Most of the recently restored Silly Symphonies look very questionable to me (and others here) but the majority of shorts I've seen that were restored as part of the Have a Laugh program actually look reasonably good.

I'm happy to post the list if there's interest.
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#3 Posted : Monday, November 2, 2015 9:19:10 AM(UTC)
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Wikipedia lists all LTMMS on DVD/Blu-Ray and the vast majority of them have been restored.

So far about half of all LTMMs have been restored at least once.
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#4 Posted : Monday, November 2, 2015 1:25:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dbear Go to Quoted Post
Interesting idea though I think the current list in the Filmographies sub-forum would be good enough for determining which are remastered (tho annotations/additional info like the ones you've suggested would be nice).

I've been working on a similar list recently to determine how many Disney shorts have been re-remastered and restored recently since the Treasures sets. All of Disney's nitrate-era material have reportedly been scanned in 4k but, by my count, a little over 90 cartoons have trickled out through various outlets (Have a Laugh, the German Donald Duck blu-ray, Netflix, the TCM broadcasts etc.). Of course, this is not taking in consideration the quality of the restorations themselves. Most of the recently restored Silly Symphonies look very questionable to me (and others here) but the majority of shorts I've seen that were restored as part of the Have a Laugh program actually look reasonably good.

I'm happy to post the list if there's interest.


I've been expanding out into other non-LT/MM classic animation, such as Tex Avery's Droopy and some Walter Lantz stuff, and I know next to nothing about Disney....so yeah, I'd be interested. In fact, I was under the impression that Disney had already restored and remastered everything except Song of the South. But even if that were true, a sub-forum for this would still be the "go to" place for discussion of such matters as the quality.

Having a complete filmography with dvd/bluray availability is of course very important and convenient, but for me the next most important issue is the preservation of these classics through restoration and remastering. It would be nice to have a sub forum dedicated to the current state of restored/remastered classic cartoons for all the studios, which wouldn't be cluttered with any other off topic details.

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Wikipedia lists all LTMMS on DVD/Blu-Ray and the vast majority of them have been restored.

So far about half of all LTMMs have been restored at least once.


Wikipedia is mainly where I got all of the information for the list I made, but I don't know how accurate the info is for DVNR and Blue Ribbon issues. That would be another good reason to post the list...so that people could look it over and help make corrections. And it could be updated when new restorations are made, as well as provide a focused place for discussions about the quality, etc. But of course the main thing is the convenience of having all of this info in one thread.

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"Mad as a Mars Hare" and "Dr. Devil and Mr. Hare" had their widescreen problems corrected on the first volume of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection.

"Book Revue" had its interlacing problem corrected on the second Platinum Collection.

"The Big Snooze" and "Gorilla My Dreams" had their DVNR corrected on the third Platinum Collection.

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The list is not right, it looks more like a list of released shorts than restored.

The bonus cartoons like The Fighting 69th were not restored and then there are shorts which have been restored already but not on home video like Fresh Hare.

Then for Super Stars shorts, the 4:3 restored transfers do exist. They show up on many Boomerang feeds.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:04:02 PM(UTC)
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The list is not right, it looks more like a list of released shorts than restored.

The bonus cartoons like The Fighting 69th were not restored and then there are shorts which have been restored already but not on home video like Fresh Hare.

Then for Super Stars shorts, the 4:3 restored transfers do exist. They show up on many Boomerang feeds.


Thanks for the input, Cool Cat!

I deleted the bonus cartoons except for "Sniffles Takes a Trip" (restored for Mouse Chronicles), "Hippety Hopper" (restored for Marsupial Mayhem), and "Boyhood Daze" because it was included on the first Platinum Collection so I'm assuming it was restored for it (let me know if I'm wrong about that).

I also removed any references to "cropped for widescreen" because I've been going back and listening to Jerry Beck on Stu's Show and he seemed confident that they were all restored in the correct aspect ratio. The fact that we can't see all but two of them corrected on home video is irrelevant to this list. I don't get Boomerang where I'm at so I'm crap out of luck on that front, but it's comforting to know that they're preserved properly anyway.

The main reason I listened back to Jerry on Stu's show was to verify what I thought he said about the censored eleven being restored, so I'll be adding those to the list, too. I wish I could see them in their pristine state, but again it's just good to know that they've been preserved.

I saw the screen cap of "Fresh Hare" on another thread. Was it restored and remastered from the original master 35mm negatives? On Stu's Show Jerry was adamant that the only shorts which were restored were the ones that have shown up on home video since the first Golden Collection and onward.

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Out of the bonus cartoons on Golden Collection Vol. 6, Rabbit Rampage, Boyhood Daze and Bartholomew versus the Wheel all look restored to me. Mouse Mazurka on the Mouse Chronicles set also looks like a remaster but is not presented in HD on the Blu-ray. The restored clips of Fresh Hare were excerpted in the new Tex Avery documentary on the second Platinum Collection, but I have not seen any evidence that any more LT/MMs have been remastered/restored. If I hazard a guess as to why this wasn't released, it's possible it might have been slated to appear on the Golden/Platinum/Super Star sets at some point but shelved for whatever reason? ("Those fraking SUITS")
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Not sure what Jerry said, but that's completely wrong.

First of all, the Tweety Japanese DVDs have restored prints like A Bird in a Bonnet, A Pizza Tweetie Pie, etc

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Then earlier, in 1997/1998 WB did the first restored prints for PAL VHS releases. Many GC prints were actually these, like Canned Feud, Don't Give Up the Sheep or The Foghorn Leghorn. Even the extra features Mouse Mazurka, Boyhood Daze (GC6) and Rabbit Rampage, or Ant Pasted from the Porky Pig DVD.

There are many other restored prints done in 1997/1998 which were not released yet but are seen on TV, like Robot Rabbit, A Fractured Leghorn, Of Rice and Hen, The Unmentionables, A Mouse Divided, Stooge for a Mouse, etc. I listed all of them in an older topic.

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Last, the first two Super Stars discs prints exist in 4:3, and are commonly seen on Boomerang France and Germany.
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I humbly salute your research, Cool_Cat. It sort of makes sense how some cartoons had to be redone for HD if they were restored very early on and pre-dating the Golden Collection sets. Guess WHV missed the boat to release these good-looking remasters on the Golden Collections during the heyday of DVD. They would probably have to be redone "up to scratch" nowadays to meet Warner's supposed standard Jerry mentioned on one of the Stu's Show talks (unless they're dumped as an SD extra to their catalog feature film Blu-rays). Seems to be the same situation with the colour Columbia/Screen Gems cartoons that were extensively remastered for the Totally Tooned In show, judging by how they (re-)restored a few shorts for inclusion on a Three Stooges miscellany DVD a couple of years ago.
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Not sure what Jerry said, but that's completely wrong.

First of all, the Tweety Japanese DVDs have restored prints like A Bird in a Bonnet, A Pizza Tweetie Pie, etc

Then earlier, in 1997/1998 WB did the first restored prints for PAL VHS releases. Many GC prints were actually these, like Canned Feud, Don't Give Up the Sheep or The Foghorn Leghorn. Even the extra features Mouse Mazurka, Boyhood Daze (GC6) and Rabbit Rampage, or Ant Pasted from the Porky Pig DVD.

There are many other restored prints done in 1997/1998 which were not released yet but are seen on TV, like Robot Rabbit, A Fractured Leghorn, Of Rice and Hen, The Unmentionables, A Mouse Divided, Stooge for a Mouse, etc. I listed all of them in an older topic.



I recently binged through every Jerry Beck appearance on Stu's Show and that's an enormous amount of information for my memory to accurately retain verbatim, but I remember in the more recent shows that Stu asked twice if all of the remaining LTMMs were restored yet (it was over the span of two consecutive episodes and Stu didn't remember he had just asked the same question a few months prior). Jerry answered exactly the same both times that the cartoons which didn't make it onto any of the Golden Collections, Super Stars, and Platinums were not restored.

It could be that he means the restorations which started with the first Golden Collection, which were from the original master negatives. He even mentioned that they don't even know what they're going to find until they pull a short from the vault and open the container.

Also, Stu asked if the laser discs were restored (apparently he has them all sitting right there close by and said they looked fantastic) and I seem to recall Jerry saying they were not.

Jerry also said many times that the reason Hanna-Barbera cartoons are being sold at Warner Archives and the remaining LTMMs are not is because none of those remaining LTMMs have been restored while the HBs were already restored upon acquisition, so it doesn't cost them anything to put out the HB cartoons.

But those screen grabs look great....no doubt about it! Is it possible that they weren't sourced from the original negatives in the Warner Brothers vault, but instead sourced and restored from a dupe negative or some other print?


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It doesn't really make sense then how they put the 1998 print of Ant Pasted in the Porky Pig DVD, and so many of them in the first GC. The 1997 versions were also released on Laserdisc in Japan (and in Europe in VHS, I have all of them), so I still don't agree with Jerry.

Then on the double dip Tweety DVD they put many prints from the Japanese Tweety set but all of them were released on the GCs. An example is The Last Hungry Cat. That doesn't make any sense.

Those 1997/1998 transfers look pretty good, especially the last batch. They're a lot better than some of the terrible late remastered prints which look very dark, like the Hippety Hopper shorts.
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#14 Posted : Friday, December 11, 2015 11:23:24 PM(UTC)
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It doesn't really make sense then how they put the 1998 print of Ant Pasted in the Porky Pig DVD, and so many of them in the first GC. The 1997 versions were also released on Laserdisc in Japan (and in Europe in VHS, I have all of them), so I still don't agree with Jerry.

Then on the double dip Tweety DVD they put many prints from the Japanese Tweety set but all of them were released on the GCs. An example is The Last Hungry Cat. That doesn't make any sense.

Those 1997/1998 transfers look pretty good, especially the last batch. They're a lot better than some of the terrible late remastered prints which look very dark, like the Hippety Hopper shorts.


If this isn't just a case of me misunderstanding what he said or missing something he said entirely, then it could be that, and I'm just spit-balling here, Jerry and Warner Brothers don't consider those previous restorations legitimate (even though they may look better), and so they don't acknowledge them. Sort of like the corporation doesn't consider them canon within their restoration universe. So this would have been a great question to ask Jerry last week on Stu's show, especially when you have evidence in the form of your screen caps and apparently they even used some of them for their home video product.

One thing sounds imminent and that is when the license with Cartoon Network expires then these great looking versions you've shown will probably vanish from the airwaves because Warner Brothers will probably only use the HD versions from Golden Collection 2 and up from here on out.

The good news is that after the CN license expiration they will be able to dangle the library out there for taking bids (hopefully for nonexclusive licenses so they won't be trapped with one network or streaming service). And that will contribute to restoring the rest of the library and possibly even making some corrections like the Hippety Hopper short, as well as some of the other issues in my list above (DVNR, interlacing, etc.).

Does anyone know when the Cartoon Network license expires?

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I live in Europe where free TVs are MUCH better than CN which hasn't aired Looney Tunes in 5 years here.

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That channel for an example started airing since 2 weeks ago Blu Ray prints in full 1080p glory. I hope this doesn't mean they won't air unrestored shorts anymore. I saw the rare short Jeepers Creepers uncut a few months ago on it.

Anyway, my point was in the first GC and other DVDs they recycled many 1998 prints, which to Jerry then would qualify as remastered, while the existing ones not on the GC would not, and that doesn't make sense.

This is the exact same print released on the first GC of Canned Feud taken from my VHS released in 1999:

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These were obviously mastered in standard definition, as in the PCs they had to make new masters. The newer GC1 prints were done in HD.

But these would be enough for more DVD releases. They could make at least 4 DVDs just with them. If anyone wants, I can post screenshots of all the unreleased ones.
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Jerry Beck is only a consultant for Warner Bros, and doesn't oversee the remastering process directly, so I'll cut him some slack. I don't believe he knows the complete specifics of what has been restored or not, he just stated he isn't aware of any remastered shorts that haven't made it to DVD/Blu-ray, aside from the shelved "close-to-happening" Censored 11 release that he had a close hand in.

You're right that it seems sensible to release more DVDs easily with these remasters but in these uncertain times of home video, I think Warner Bros simply aren't aware of these remasters or would likely do anything with them if they believe the market is just not there. As for why one of these remasters ended up on the Porky Super Stars DVD, it's been quite clear the Family Division's handling of that particular line has been inept, at best. A seeming attempt to cut costs by grabbing off-the-shelf masters which that particular division feels is acceptable for release.

This ties in with the argument Jerry was trying to make on Stu's Show that studios don't know what they own and don't share our "fan/collector mentality". What seems like common knowledge to us unfortunately doesn't apply to most people working in the company. Being the massive corporate behemoth that all major studios are, I doubt anyone there possesses comprehensive knowledge of what has been remastered, especially 17 years ago where there could have been a completely different team handling these transfers than there is now. Shooting Jerry Beck an e-mail with those screenshots you've posted would be your best shot at answering your queries, though I suspect he will not be able to give a definitive answer either.

Feel free to post screenshots, Cool_Cat, I'm curious to see how they look.
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These are the Tweety DVD remasters:

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These are instead the older ones. I took them from TV recordings, so they look better.

1997 batch

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1998 first batch

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Screenshots of I Gopher You will come soon

1998 second batch

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Mouse Mazurka is the 1998 version only in the Region 1 release of Mouse Chronicles, on Region 2 it's unrestored.

The 1997 batch looks worse than the other ones, but for an example Beep Prepared looked better than the PC version to me.

These transfers were seen early on TV in Europe because WB redubbed in foreign languages those shorts for the specific VHS releases.

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