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Ken Layton  
#161 Posted : Friday, December 7, 2018 11:37:37 AM(UTC)
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I was notified Tuesday night my copy is on it's way. I ordered the DVD because I do not have any blu ray equipment.
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#162 Posted : Friday, December 7, 2018 1:19:51 PM(UTC)
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Current rank on Amazon now: #677 in Movies & TV and #270 in Movies & TV > Blu-ray.

It's climbing higher. ;)
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#163 Posted : Friday, December 7, 2018 7:27:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thad Komorowski Go to Quoted Post
The less egregious errors were indeed holdovers from the older transfers, usually when "The Merry-Go-Round Broke Down" is replaced with the '37 theme. The worst offenders were entirely new because the tracks for those particular fine grains were probably dead for the head and tail (as can often be the case with shorts of this vintage). The edits were intentional because they were done by people who didn't know the films. (There's evidence of this on the Bugs Bunny Superstar Warner Archive disc. They used the archival 35mm Cinecolor print of I TAW A PUTTY TAT for the picture but used the track from the "Dubbed Version"—so the solution to make it match was to do an artificial fade out before the credits start. >Sigh<) They slipped through because no one watched the check discs.

All in all, it was rather misguided to source some eight hours of raw material from the vaults if no one was going to bother to proof anything. They could've gone full-cheap mode and just used the analog masters. That'd have also been lame but at least the "off-the-shelf" excuse would've been valid, the cartoons would've looked about the same (sometimes better), and would've reduced the budget to, well, nothing. Live and learn, which is probably why this Popeye disc looks amazing.



That kind of stuff happens all the time on Warner releases, and it's probably just as you are describing: use the negatives for the visuals, but match them with whatever soundtrack is handy. Like Popeye Meets Ali Baba, which has the a.a.p. edit of 1940s end title music. The first (uncorrected) release of the Batman TV series has 1980s or 1990s 20th Century Fox fanfare audio combined with the correct 1966 visuals (the later fanfare is shorter and doesn't cover the entire length of the visuals). It is unfortunate.

The audio screw-up with the Porky Pig titles had to be due to the use of prints with mute audio on the title sequences. No other explanation makes any sense -- why would they deliberately change them, let alone so sloppily?
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#164 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 1:24:53 AM(UTC)
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FIRST NEW SCREENSHOT!(courtesy of Leviathan from Blu-Ray.com, who found the image source on Facebook)
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#165 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 1:51:27 AM(UTC)
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FIRST NEW SCREENSHOT!(courtesy of Leviathan from Blu-Ray.com, who found the image source on Facebook)
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Hmmmm... is that actually a DVD screenshot? It looks upscaled, and the height resolution of the picture is only 826 pixels rather than 1080 (Blu-ray resolution).

Just mentioning this because, while the colors look great, I don't think this is representative of the picture quality and resolution of the Blu-ray edition.
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#166 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 1:54:01 AM(UTC)
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FIRST NEW SCREENSHOT!(courtesy of Leviathan from Blu-Ray.com, who found the image source on Facebook)
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Wow, that screenshot from Shape Ahoy looks so amazing! The colors look so much better than the faded Turner print.

If only the 40's Little Lulus and Noveltoons could look this good remastered from the original nitrate negatives...
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#167 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 1:59:34 AM(UTC)
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Hmmmm... is that actually a DVD screenshot? It looks upscaled, and the height resolution of the picture is only 826 pixels rather than 1080 (Blu-ray resolution).

Just mentioning this because, while the colors look great, I don't think this is representative of the picture quality and resolution of the Blu-ray edition.


Perhaps the picture may have been compressed somewhere along the lines. I'll look into the Facebook post were this image came from.

But there's also the possibility that the source came from the DVD instead.

Edited by user Saturday, December 8, 2018 2:05:41 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#168 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 2:02:29 AM(UTC)
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Someone managed to even do a screenshot comparison:

https://forum.blu-ray.co...842355&postcount=327

And I do agree, the ENTIRE Famous Studios/Paramount library needs restoration and fast. Fortunately, we now have this (and I guess we can now say more to follow ;) ), several Noveltoons restored by Thunderbean, and even Paramount is playing ball by sublicensing its Puppetoons to B2MP. All we need is Kino and Shout! to take of the rest with Republic/Paramount and Universal respectively (but since Kino also has a deal with Universal, maybe its better for Kino to do the entire library).

PS. My DVD copy arrived today, watching it now (it's also an MOD disc btw).
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#169 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 2:10:00 AM(UTC)
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PS. My DVD copy arrived today, watching it now (it's also an MOD disc btw).


So, how's the picture and sound quality like?

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#170 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 2:14:31 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mesterius Go to Quoted Post
Hmmmm... is that actually a DVD screenshot? It looks upscaled, and the height resolution of the picture is only 826 pixels rather than 1080 (Blu-ray resolution).

Just mentioning this because, while the colors look great, I don't think this is representative of the picture quality and resolution of the Blu-ray edition.

Perhaps the picture may have been compressed somewhere along the lines. I'll look into the Facebook post were this image came from.

But there's also the possibility that the source came from the DVD instead.

I just now found what I believe is the original Facebook source for the screenshot, a posting by David Chaverz on Jerry Beck's Facebook page. He doesn't mention whether he bought the Blu-ray or DVD, but maybe someone can get in touch with him and ask. The resolution of the original Facebook pic is actually slightly higher than the version that's currently circulating on the blu-ray.com forum and here (1024 pixels in height rather than 826), but it looks really, really compressed. Certainly not anywhere near true Blu-ray quality. Here's the full-sized picture from Facebook:

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#171 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 2:36:56 AM(UTC)
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Once I receive the Blu-ray, I can provide full 1080p screenshot comparisons with the older Turner masters ripped from the Boomerang streaming service.

We should expect a BIG difference in colours for Her Honor Our Mare, The Marry Go Round, We're On Our Way to Rio, The Anvil Chorus Girl, Moving Aweigh and For Better Or Nurse. The late 80s Turner masters for those are faded to the point where backgrounds only display varying shades of pink and red.
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#172 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 3:30:19 AM(UTC)
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To anyone who has this set, could anyone check to see which 1945 Popeye cartoon was the first to have that "red mountain on blue sky" Paramount logo? If it wasn't Shape Ahoy, then it could've been either Pop-Pie a La Mode or Tops in the Big Top.
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#173 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 3:59:56 AM(UTC)
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Amazon update: The DVD is now also back in stock. And they've FINALLY added the actual cover art to the Blu-ray listing... hope the same is done for the DVD soon.

Speaking of cover art, could someone who has received the set share a picture of the back cover? Either Blu-ray or DVD version would be appreciated.
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#174 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 4:11:27 AM(UTC)
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You humans convinced me. I pre-ordered the Blu-Ray from Amazon. Hopefully, this set does not have any problems like the other WB animation sets.
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#175 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 5:34:14 AM(UTC)
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You humans convinced me. I pre-ordered the Blu-Ray from Amazon. Hopefully, this set does not have any problems like the other WB animation sets.


This is Warner Archive we are talking about. They handle things way more differently than Warner Home Video does.

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#176 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 5:45:41 AM(UTC)
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As the shitbed Porky 101 proves... Thankfully it’s back to high standards.
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#177 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 6:13:14 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ToonStar95 Go to Quoted Post
I have a Blu-ray player, but I can't take BD screencaps on my PC.


If I were you, I'd still go for the Blu-ray edition for the better viewing experience.

I guess I can understand the appeal in being able to play back the disc (and make screencaps) on your computer, though. What I've ended up doing myself – since very few laptops today even include an optical drive – is to invest in an external Blu-ray/DVD drive. The one I bought was of this type. As for playback, the free media player VLC can play Blu-rays without any problems if you download the proper codecs for it.

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Ken Layton  
#178 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 9:50:44 AM(UTC)
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My DVD copy arrived today. WOW it is great! Absolutely beautiful picture and sound. I've seen things in the background that I've never seen before. As an example, in Her Honor The Mare, look at the name on the mailbox when Popeye pushes the horse through the window and the entire wall revolves so the outside portion is inside. You'll get a nice surprise when you see the name on the mailbox.

I was blown away with the backgrounds in Pop-Pie A La Mode. You could actually see the night time stars in the sky! And watch the details in the cloud backgrounds.

In my opinion, people should definitely buy this disc. The colors are so eye-popping and the sound is crisp and clear. This is a billion times better than those faded, butchered, beat up 16mm tv AAP prints we're all used to.
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#179 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 10:34:13 AM(UTC)
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A friend of mine on Facebook commented me on my post for the release (I did have to note an error on For Better or Nurse_ and told me that his copy didn't shipped yet because Warner told him it was a "very popular" item:

https://www.facebook.com...ent_id=10213439798498364


Take that in for a moment. ;)
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#180 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 10:38:32 AM(UTC)
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I just checked WBShop. Popeye is currently number 14 on the Best Seller list, for Blu-rays.

If this doesn't make Mr. Beck and the Archive happy, I don't know what will.
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